Paceline Podcast 166

Paceline Podcast 166

Selene is back from PPARC where she and her comrades across Pennsylvania raised more than $300,000. That works out to more than $4000 per rider, which is a staggering sum. She talks about the riding, the mission and the people.

This week she takes up a reader question regarding his falloff in power over a long ride. Our intrepid reader saw a falloff of more than 25 percent over a nine-hour ride. The question is, if you’ve taken care of yourself, how much should you see your power fall off late in the ride?

There’s a single man in the house. Good grief. And dating in the age of apps, social media and whatnot isn’t nearly as hard as dating when you’re a cyclist. Do you date other cyclists? And what will your date think if they aren’t when they find out you are? We might have an answer or two, but they probably only beg more questions. The first being, would you date a man reclining on a chaise lounge in full cycling regalia?



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Show links:

Selene’s piece on the Paleo diet

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Images: Selene Yeager, Dave Joachim

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  1. Neil Winkelmann

    Hey guys, thanks for the answer and very kind words.

    This a Strava link to my ride that you discussed.

    It was at Mt Rainier NP. An out and back ride from Nisqually Park Entrance to Paradise, Cayuse Pass then down and up to Sunrise. Skipped the short detour to Paradise on the way back, but it’s all downhill from there.

    I’d recommend this ride as one of the great road rides I’ve ever done. 7 of us from our club did the ride together on a Monday (avoiding the weekend traffic). Perfect weather and scenery to die-for. Highly recommended. As an out-and-back people did as much or as little as they liked. No-one did less than 150km and the 220km I did was the whole thing.

    I think you’re spot on that the 25% to 30% pace drop was likely an indication that my pacing was less-than-optimal. Simply too fast, too soon. I never felt that fueling nor hydration was an issue. I know what it feels like to “bonk” and that didn’t happen here. Just fatigue. I had a food with me, and a decent lunch at the turnaround point. Slightly short of water by the very end of the last climb. If you get a chance to do this ride. Just do it. Seriously. (But avoid the weekends)

    1. Selene Yeager

      Hey there! I’ve heard of that ride. It’s supposed to be a beauty. I’ll definitely put it on the list. And yeah, it’s so easy to go out with a little too much steam, especially for a big cool event.

    2. Neil Winkelmann

      There’s an organised ride RAMROD (Ride Around Mount Rainier in One Day) that the local club puts on, but that’s a big (250km+) loop that takes in most of the park roads (but not Sunrise). Starts and finishes in Enumclaw. I’ve done it a couple of times.

      This time, we did what we called “The Best of RAMROD”, swapping the rural roads around Enumclaw for more (out and back) riding in the park, which is really where it is neat. RAMROD is great but I liked our private tour better.

  2. john Knowlton

    Patrick, you have to have a partner who is at least athletic. Maybe you could learn to enjoy rock climbing or swimming from her. Living an athletic lifestyle is critical to being Patrick’s friend. I have been married nearly 20 years to a soccer player, who has now become a cyclist once her knees said “no more” to soccer. We bought a tandem to fix the power disparity. We each do our own rides on our single bikes on Monday nights. She leads a mentoring ride and I lead a hilly 18-19 mph ride. Then on the weekends we hop on the tandem.

    You got to the core issue when you talked about expectations and communication. But there is almost no way you could have an amicable relationship with a non athlete.

    Good luck!

  3. Angela

    Hey Patrick- My dad was an avid cyclist and tried to get my mom interested, but with the exception of family outings when we camped she wasn’t much interested. Every summer we would drive to Canada while he bike there and would meet up with us. She was happy to be there to cheer on his accomplishments. She had her things, he had cycling. He rode with friends and his kids. She accepted bikes and tools all over the house. He supported her interests, she supported his. It worked for 45 years.
    Two people can love cycling and not be at the same level, or have the same needs. Look for someone who is ok with not riding side by side. Someone who loves to ride and is ok if they are ahead or you are ahead. Someone who may go on their own rides, while you choose a different one. Someone who is happy to cheer you on at the finish of a ride that they did not do. Someone who understands that loving someone does not mean you are on their wheel (or you on their wheel) all the time. You are both experiencing your love of cycling in different ways. Not competing or keeping score on how much attention was paid. It seems you need someone with less “relationship ego”. Sharing a journey does not always mean that you walk the same path all the time. It means you are elated when your paths connect. The joy is in knowing that your bond is good and you are their for each other in a greater sense. Not just ftp and mph.
    You seem like a really good guy. Hold out. You
    shouldn’t have to change you or adapt your ride to “keep them happy”. You deserve someone who is always at the finish. Either riding next to you or greeting you with a kiss and a treat. We all deserve that!

    1. Author

      Thanks for that Angela. As you note, having paths that intersect can be enough. I don’t want to say I’ve set my sights low; I don’t think that at all. I just know that whoever is next in my life needn’t love cycling; they just need to love what it does for me.

  4. David

    There’s also risk in asking out somebody who you’ve already ridden with on several occasions and wouldn’t want to lose that riding friendship over if a date goes south.

  5. Justin Schultz

    I recently watched a video on the GCN youtube channel about the keto diet and cycling. I don’t think it’s a diet for me (Love me some carbs), but I am curious about it. What are your thoughts? Training the body to burn fat for energy instead of carbs?

  6. Davo

    Patrick- you mentioned your prolonged recovery from Dirty Kanza. I have a similar number of candles on my cakes and finished the Oregon Trail Gravel Grinder at the end of June and it was a full six weeks before I felt strong on the bike again. I’ve never had anything like that before even though I have a resume of epic events and hard multi day adventures.

    1. Author

      I’m glad to hear you’re feeling back to your strong self again. I heard great things about that event and would love a chance to do it. I continue to be dialed back in my riding and though I’ve put on a few pounds, the not going incredibly hard in the heat has been nice.

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