Paceline Podcast 187

Paceline Podcast 187

This week Selene takes on a reader question on diet and how it squares with the Netflix film “Game Changers.” Given how passionate people can be about their diet, this isn’t an easy one to tackle, but she dives in.


There was a time when a road bike was a road bike was a road bike. Fortunately, that’s no more. Patrick takes a look at the differentiation in the market and the advice he gave some friends who recently asked his opinion.



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Show links:

Patrick’s recent review of the Sage Skyline

Garmin Edge 830

Pioneer Power Meters

Stages Power Meters

Game Changers Scientific Critique 

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    1. Author

      I’ve been trying to do that, but they have a number of hoops to jump through. The process, unlike with many services, doesn’t seem to be particularly straightforward.

  1. Keith

    The Jackson Forest Hopper had closer to 11,000’ of climbing contrary to what the ride website showed. No wonder it hurt. Especially so close to doing Kanza. Regarding tire clearance on Endurance Road Bikes like the Roubaix, the new Trek Domane has clearance up to 38mm. It comes stock with 32’s. And the internal rim width of the higher end models is 25mm. That was the width of a mountain bike rim a couple of years ago.

  2. Keith

    I have had my Garmin Edge 530 (non-touch screen version of the computer the Selene mentioned) since June and I love it. It replaced a Wahoo ELEMNT which constantly had problems syncing to my phone. The Garmin is not as user friendly as the Wahoo but it is ultra reliable (as is my Garmin Fenix 5 GPS watch). And it has a color screen, excellent navigation features and a super fast processor. I really like the ClimPro feature that shows the length and grade of upcoming climbs. And the MTB features are really cool. It even logs multiple instances of leaving the ground even though I doubt a ever get more air then Selene does. There are a bunch of add on apps available through the connect iq store. I sync mine with Ride With GPS which holds a library of bike routes. The reason I decided to replace my Wahoo is so all my metrics would sync to the Garmin Connect app. My Garmin watch tracks my non cycling activities, sleep and heart rate 24/7. This is combined with the cycling activities in the app. Patrick, I think you should reconsider your anti-Garmin stance and give the 830 or 530 a try.

  3. Keith

    One more really cool feature for mountain bikers on the 530/830 is that the Trailforks map and trails are built in. So if you are riding on almost any mountain bike trail in the world it will be on your device. As you ride the trail name show up on the map screen. And when you come top an intersection it will give you names of the different trail options.

  4. TomInAlbany

    When I saw that your one hour podcast show up as a two hour episode, I wondered what was up. When it got quiet after an hour, I began to wonder if you hid a bonus track in there. But, ain’t nobody got time for that!!!

    I don’t have a gps on the bike. Sometimes I want one. Sometimes not. I’m cheap so, still don’t have one. I like the idea, though, of all of the data. Maybe one day.

    The food thing: You reduced it to the core. Different strokes for different folks. YMMV.

    Great podcast, folks. Keep up the good work.

    Now: Time to shop for a new bike!! Hell, maybe I’ll even buy one!

  5. Ted Jones

    I’ve never been much for vegetables. As an aging masters athlete, I’m always open to finding ways to stay healthy. Watched game changers and for a week or so I tried going meat free (instant pot to the rescue!) but really didn’t feel any different. So long term just trying to eat better, i.e. more veg and not as much meat.

    Wahoo vs. Garmin: Garmin user for a long time, and I had their aviation products in a prior life. Back then they had a great reputation for user interface and customer support. The other players in the market back then were Trimble and Magellan. And they were “meh” compared to Garmin.

    So my early Garmin bike computers also seemed fine, though the stupid lap and start/stop buttons were always confusing to me, i.e. I’d hit the stop button when I wanted to hit lap.

    Where Garmin went wrong for me was when they started the smart phone connections. The Edge 810 used this feature, or attempted to use it. “upload failed”. Try again. “upload failed” And so one. Garmin troubleshooting: go into phone and “forget” the GPS. Repair it through the app. “upload failed”. and so one.

    So that lead me to Wahoo after a friend got one and could actually upload files. WooHoo!. Maybe that’s where the name comes from?!?

    I do miss the timer feature (used it at Leadville as a reminder to drink) and the profile options. However I’ll give those up for something that can talk to my phone and that I don’t want to launch out the car window when it says “upload failed”

    1. Selene Yeager

      I love your notion of how Wahoo might have gotten its name! I had a similar upload experience with my new unit. There are definitely a lot of great features on the Garmin. I just find it more difficult and less intuitive to operate.

  6. Neil Winkelmann

    Game Changers is arguably just a counter punch to the equally silly paleo-keto stuff. Yelling from the fringes to try to create a balance. That’s not the way it should work, but much of modern life is like that.

  7. Justin Schultz

    Great episode. It’s true that each bike will cause you to sacrifice something. I’d love to own 5 bikes, but I can’t afford that. I’ve recently decided to get back into mountain biking after a 10 year hiatus. I bought a 2020 Scott Scale 29er, but I had to sell my Giant TCR to do so. I still have a single speed road bike that I’ll ride occasionally, but my only geared bike is now the Scott Scale. I bought a pair of WTB Thickslicks for road riding. I know this won’t be as fast as my road bike. I figured I could ride any bike on the road with decent tires, but you can only take certain bikes on mountain bike trails. Hopefully I’ll still enjoy my rides on the road. Will I hate my 29er with slick tires on the road? Or, will it be a fine compromise?

  8. Nathan

    I rode a hybrid for most of my riding life. I got it for commuting duty, but when I stopped commuting by bike I started using it now and then for recreational riding. Some of my favourite ever rides were on that bike. I even did my first (and to date only) organised century on it – I turned up to the start thinking people would be on all kinds of bikes, and felt a bit silly when pretty much everyone else was on a road bike. (Using my triple chainring to spin up the climbs, past all the roadies mashing gears that were way too big for them, made me feel a little less silly!)

    By the time it was ten years old or so it was starting to rust in a few more places than I’d like, so I swapped it for a drop-bar gravel/all-road bike. Not sure I’d call it ‘graduating’ though, cause it didn’t really change the kind of riding I was doing (or even make me appreciably faster!). If I’d known at the time that you need a special kind of bike to do x or y, then I never would’ve bothered, because that wasn’t the kind of bike I had.

    Which I suppose begs the question: why did I decide to change the focus of my riding from just getting around to trying to push myself and do things that were a little more adventurous? I went to watch the Tour de France when it came to the UK in 2014, but that wasn’t what lit the spark. It was seeing my friends doing a local half-marathon that made me think, what can I do to challenge myself like that? And then I remembered, I have a bike…

    Maybe that would be an interesting topic for a future show, perhaps with an element of audience participation to collect as many stories as possible – what got people doing the kind of riding they do now? What was that spark?

  9. David Thomas Savage

    I’m an ecologist, and I think Selene really understated the degree to which the scientific consensus recognizes the enivronmental harms caused by most animal agriculture (differentiating here from “eating meat”, because the environmental impact of hunting is not the same as the environmental impact of raising animals for food). And it really comes down to one very simple idea: growing a plant is a more efficient way of turning sun-calories into human-edible calories than growing a plant, feeding that plant to an animal, and then letting that animal grow and eating it.

    1. Selene Yeager

      I fully appreciate your insights. I’ve listened to various scientific podcasts and read papers making varying arguments. I’ve also consulted with the local organic institute, and they teach that both plant and animal farming is best. I’m not going to wade too far into these waters, because that wasn’t my point and not really the main point of the film. But I appreciate what your expertise. Thanks for listening!

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