Paceline Podcast 151

Paceline Podcast 151

This week Selene takes on a couple of training questions, and prepares Patrick for some of the hard work he’s going to need to do as he gets ready for this year’s Dirty Kanza. She discusses the usefulness of group rides and intervals, even for a rider planning to do a double century (whether on the road or off of it).

Researchers in Australia released a study regarding the opinions of drivers about cyclists. Turns out some of them think no more highly of cyclists than they do cockroaches. No surprise there, really. Patrick has a suggestion on what American society might do to change that.



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Show links:

Selene’s introduction to gravel riding

Patrick’s piece, “Same Old Trail.”

Camelbak Chase Vest for women

Bicycling Magazine‘s piece on the Australian driver study

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  1. Neil Winkelmann

    The only thing really worth fighting for in terms of cycling advocacy is infrastructure. Protected bike lanes, roads that discourage speeding and well designed intersections, primarily. End-of-trip facilities, compatible transit (racks on buses and room on trains) are also complementary. Improvement in transit is also key in reducing the sheer numbers of cars.

    Peter Flax is one of the most articulate advocates out there. I devour everything he writes.

    Fighting for education and enforcement is fraught with difficulties and a lack of persistence through time. And the helmet debate is, as you say, just too charged to be useful.

  2. Neil Winkelmann

    Patrick. Heads up for DK200. There are only 2 rest stops where you can be re-supplied this year. The middle rest stop is a neutral water-only stop. No access for support crews at that stop.

  3. john Knowlton

    Selene, podcast question. What’s your take on stretching vs. Foam rolling vs. None of the above? Some stretching/rolling advocates are like religious zealots while others seem to think it doesn’t make a difference. Grant Petersen says to stretch for a few seconds like a dog. What do research and the fit chick say?

    1. Lyford

      I’m a big believer in “If it works for you, it works.” I’ve seen studies that stated that stretching cold was ineffective, but the gazillion people in yoga studios would suggest otherwise. I know that I became more comfortable on the bike when I started doing some simple stretches immediately after riding.

  4. Dizzy

    RE. The Camelback Chase Vest:
    Great that it’s now a female specific Camelback. But why oh why only in purple or black.
    And I just verified the men’s now comes in black, brown, and thank goodness, red.
    How about a neon yellow or orange to assist in making us visible.
    Is there an assumption that those wearing the chase vest are off road? Not true.

    1. Selene Yeager

      Yeah. Pack use isn’t very common on the road, so they generally don’t plan hi-viz colors for what they believe is off-road equipment. I tend to like the girly colors, but I appreciate not everyone does! (Side note: Actually just got the purple model in 5 minutes ago. It’s not really that bright/girly. More plum AND has hi-viz orange accents!)

  5. Mike

    Selene and Patrick, I have been really enjoying the Paceline podcast. This episode was especially interesting because some friends and I are preparing for an approximately 235 mile, one-day ride on June 1st. The purpose of the ride is to raise money for a cause close to our hearts. It will be on paved roads and, importantly, it is not a race. The goal is to finish. Even though it is not a race, we want to ride “efficiently”. In other words, we want to keep a good, steady pace that gets us home as quickly as is reasonable.
    So, how important would you say doing intervals are for our preparation? We each work full time, have wives and kids and other responsibilities in life. Like most folks, time to train is a real issue.
    So far, I have been focusing on keeping things mostly in zone 2 on my longer rides/trainer sessions. As I’m commuting to work, I am starting to mix in some repeated sprints and some zone 4 hill climbs. Would you have any suggestions for my friends and I?

    1. Selene Yeager

      Sounds like you’re doing the right stuff! About 75% of your time…maybe even 80% should be those long Zone 2 miles. But then take a day or two and add some high intensity like hard climbs and sprints. It will build your stamina/reserves etc. Good luck!

    2. Author

      What the smart lady said. I’ll add that if you plan to paceline the ride as much as possible (which would make sense), then focus on keeping your intervals short, like they would be in a rotating paceline.

  6. Keith

    Another great hydration pack for pack haters are ones made by Uswe. I use the Airborne 3. It’s super stable and I don’t even feel it when railing singletrack. Regarding driver training in general it is woefully inadequate in this country. Both of my daughters attended the Street Survival program as new drivers and I think the experience made them proficient and safe drivers. The program is available all over the country. It’s a full day that combines behind the wheel training and classroom sessions. I learned a lot myself in the classroom sessions.

  7. Keith

    Regarding trainer workouts on Zwift, I agree you will reap a lot of benefit quickly doing structured workouts on a trainer. I use TrainerRoad which is all about structured workouts. If you don’t plan on doing virtual group rides, my opinion is that it’s a better option than Zwift. They have plans for any type of event you are training for including DK 200.

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