The Paceline Podcast 148

The Paceline Podcast 148

It may be February and she may live in Pennsylvania, but Selene has started her season with the first of the season’s Spring Classics. It was cold and reasonably wet, but she says all in all, this year’s edition was more pleasant than last year’s.

Patrick takes on another listener question, this time on the placement of pads in bibs and shorts. A listener has a problem with a pair of bibs; the pad is too far forward. Patrick takes on how pad placement isn’t absolute.



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  1. TomInAlbany

    I enjoyed the show, as always.

    Question about caps: I have a long/narrow head. When I wear a cycling cap under my helmet, the helmet never seems to fit right. I think it’s because the way the brim/bill curves, it’s connection with the hat proper winds up underneath the part of the helmet that is supposed to grip my head. (I hope that made sense.) Are there cap designers out there that do different designs for differing headshapes? At this point, I only wear head covers without a brim, which means my eyes get pelted on wet days.

    1. Author

      I bet you wore an Avenir helmet way back when. They were made for heads like yours. I’d submit that you should be pulling the cap down a little further. The cap should be far enough down that you can flip the brim up, which is really helpful when you’re on a dry descent. Also, one of the issues to fitting a cap under a helmet can arise if the helmet has an already snug fit—you won’t be able to pull the helmet down into its normal position. With a few manufacturers I’m on the bubble between small and medium. Those helmets where the small is too small and I go with the medium are the ones where I can wear a cycling cap beneath the helmet. That could, maybe, possibly, contribute to the issue you’ve raised. Another issue that can turn up is if the material in the bill is too stiff, that can cause the helmet to ride up; I’ve had that with a couple of caps; the stiff bill also pulled the cap terribly snug. Hope that helps.

  2. Quentin

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my question about shorts and pads (what’s the plural of chamois anyway?). That helps. Selene made a valid point about size. Let’s just say I’m no longer the very skinny teenager I was when I took up the sport (roughly around the time Andy Hampsten won the Giro). I have gone up a size in shorts since then, but it’s possible I may need to consider going up another size.

    I, too, have nostalgic memories of Performance bike shop. The very oldest article of clothing (of any kind) I own is a neoprene headband that fits nicely under helmets when it’s cold outside. I bought it at Performance in Boulder, probably also the same year Hampsten won the Giro. I wore it this morning. It still does the job.

  3. Neil Winkelmann

    Great show, lots to digest. When it comes to chamois, less is more for me. I’m not looking for “padding” as such, but am looking for friction control and reduction in chafing. For me, up to a point, numbness in the butt is easily relieved by standing for a few pedals strokes, but chafing and skin irritation just gets worse, and can carry over from ride to ride, ultimately leading to saddle sores. Stuff shouldn’t wrinkle, it should stay in place and have the right surface texture and friction in contract with the skin. That it is “cushy” is less important to me.

    On riding the same thing over and over, much of my riding is my commute, so guilty there (although I have quite a few variations, and they are all great rides). On top of that, I hate driving to ride. I like to ride out my front gate. So real variety is mostly restricted to my couple of big vacation or ride trips where I usually fly. I might drive to two or three “local” actual events each year, but will rarely drive just to do a different ride.

    Where to I submit/post a “listener question”?

    1. Neil Winkelmann

      OK, here goes.
      I was interested to hear about Selene using 100km organised events as the middle bit of her long rides leading to the Michigan race. I am starting to ramp up my long rides for DK200 and adopt a similar approach around my Saturday club rides. It goes like this. I leave early for the coffee shop to get in a sneaky 60 to 90km before meeting the club. This ridden fairly steady but with some effort. The club-ride is then a spirited 100km or thereabouts, with all the variation of hilly bunch rides in terms of intensity. By the time the ride finishes I’m usually 160km + “deep” and now pretty knackered. I still have a hilly 20km or so to get home. So basically 2 questions:

      1) Does this sound like an effective way to get my long rides done? It breaks it up for me. Heading out solo for the long ones is harder, psychologically. I like the social aspect of the club rides as part of the longer day.
      2) For the ride home I wonder if I should push as hard as I can (but power being now pretty low, no-matter what I do), replicating the fading km of the race?; Or “phone it in” and pedal home super-softly?, or even throw it on a bus and start my recovery early?

      Basically the question is whether or not the 20km fading effort at the end of a long hard rides is useful as prep for DK200, or wasted effort/garbage miles.

      The rest of my training is pretty unstructured, but revolves around a hilly commute, with twice-a-day rides of 25km to 30km each way. I use the steeper hills for higher intensity work.

  4. JP

    When I first got into cycling as an adult (2002) I didn’t really have good local options for parts and kit, so nashbar, performance, and pricepoint were my go to websites. Crazy to think they’re all gone now. I guess amazon and chain reaction are the majority now.

  5. Kyle McGonigle

    I’m a weekly group road rider from the Philadelphia area that at 61 no longer likes riding outside during the cold winter or nasty weather. My winters are spent on my trainer waiting for the warmer weather to return and to stay in shape. My question is,our bodies change as we get older so how often should you get refitted or at least have your fit checked? Great Podcast, I always learn something new each week. thanks.

  6. Justin Schultz

    Fun show! I discovered it by searching “cycling” on Stitcher. Now I’ll go back in time listening to the older episodes while staying current with the weekly show. I’m a recreational road cyclist that gets out about 3 times a week. I’m looking forward to spring here in Wisconsin. Is it looked down on to be a fair weather rider? In Wisconsin I cut outdoor cycling off at less than 40 degrees and ride my indoor bike instead.

    1. Author

      Justin, thanks for checking us out. As you go back through our archive you’ll find a show where we consider that very question. And ’round these parts, we don’t shame cyclists. That you’re a cyclist makes you one of us, at least, in our book.

  7. Nathan

    I also came across a pair of bib shorts where the pad was so far forward it wasn’t covering my sit bones. I chalked it up to having short legs relative to my torso. Not had an issue with any other bibs I’ve worn though.

    I was kind of bummed by Trek’s unceremonious dumping of the Drops cycling team when they announced their own women’s team last year. The more I hear about the history of the brand – often through this show – the more the pattern-recognition part of my brain is starting to light up. If I was a US Trek dealer, I’d be worried. On the other hand, maybe their hookup with REI, thereby potentially getting good-quality cycling gear in front of newbies to the sport, might help fill the hole left by Performance?

    I have sort of an on-and-off relationship going on with one of those diet tracking apps, which I use to make sure I’m eating enough. Whenever I make any changes to my diet or to the amount of exercise I’m getting, I’ll track for a couple of weeks, just to check I’m not running too much of a calorie or protein deficit. Then I can shelve it again until the next time I make a change. Seems to work well for me that way.

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