The Paceline Podcast 147

The Paceline Podcast 147

Again, we take on some listener questions this week (you guys are killing it!). Selene takes a look at night riding and how to get past the fear of not being able to see all that much, even with the addition of lights. She also gives her take on the CTS – Zwift training plan dust up.

We received an email from a listener who is wrestling with some depression and how it has made riding more difficult. Patrick addresses how important it is to consider the fundamental truth that you’ll feel better, whether you’re depressed or not, after going for a ride. He also looks at how helpful having a set routine is to smoothing the transition to getting out there, not to mention making getting out there a speedier affair.



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Show links:

SP Connect

Selene’s piece about the CTS/Zwift Controversy

Jennifer Schofield’s Mexican Misadventure

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  1. john Knowlton

    A couple Michigan related comments from the cast: The Barry Roubaix course has the “3 sisters,” near the start of the ride. Yep, three punchy hills. Also, the national 25 hour challenge (road) is still hanging on in West MI.
    BTW, you two are really starting to gel on the pod. I always enjoy the show!

    1. Selene Yeager

      I knew I was forgetting some other “famous sisters!” I’ve been on that course and those punchy climbs. There’s a 25 hour road challenge? What’s that like???

      And thanks!

    1. michael fry

      Thank you! I must add, Patrick and Selene have this perfect energy to make this podcast so enjoyable to listen to. I wish you would release an episode every day!!

  2. RidingPastor

    Patrick I would recommend using Zanfel Wash. I got some poison ivy washed once and it was good. I washed a second time just to make sure it was good. It is amazing and worth every penny I paid.

  3. RidingPastor

    I thought this was posted but I will attempt to again. I would recommend Zanfel Wash for Poison Ivy/Oak treatment. I got some on my and used the wash instant relief. I washed a second time and it was well on its way to gone. I can look at it and get Poison Ivy sometimes..

    I like bike commuting at night. the city streets are usually quieter and being out in the country is peaceful. (I cover both on my commute from downtown to suburbs) I throw some lumens out though. 850 lumens Cygolite and 950 lumens Orphos Flare Pro on the front and 150 cygolite on rear with 400 lumens Orphos Flare Pro. i haven’t used the orphos front on the trail but I think it would be great wide angle and a touch warmer than the Cygolite LED.

  4. Richard in the PNW

    There are a lot of us around the 48th parallel that have to ride at night simply because winter night starts at 3:45pm and ends at 8:30am. So basically if you commute or want to ride “after work” it is dark. Riding in the dark is pretty normal and not something to be scared of. I have found that while on the road people in cars actually give you more space because all they can see is the blinkys and reflective jacket. They don’t even know they are giving more space, they just do it re-actively. I like riding on the road more at night because of this effect on drivers. Most people are probably looking at the road more intently at night than their phones also so that is a bonus. Case in point, I have NEVER had a close call at night, (hope that was not a jinx). On the contrary I have close calls on EVERY RIDE in the day time no matter where I am at.

    An additional bonus is at night there is nobody on the trails and no dogs either. Best time to rip it and not worry about the situationally unaware hiker/jogger with earbuds in and a loose dog flopping about. Embrace the darkness, it is your friend. Good topic.

  5. Joe

    Hey guys….
    speaking of night riding and lights.
    You all should check out this bike lighting company
    I’ve been night riding since the mid 80’s, and this light is a game changer, with competive pricing!!
    You will not be disappointed with the beam pattern of this lighting system!! It’ll open your eyes to how your night riding will be improved; either in the woods or on the road.

    1. TomInAlbany

      If you use that lighting system, Selene will see the entire trail and her night laps will get slower!

    1. TomInAlbany

      Those old-school wheel reflectors that we all ripped off the minute we got the bike? Those kill it, when it comes to passive lighting on the sides. They have size and a large range of motion!

  6. Steve Courtright

    Patrick and Selene: thinking back on the topic of depression and lack of motivation, for me, one of the best things I have done is to cultivate my own crew to give me a reason to get out and have fun. I have a crew of good riders who know me and call if I don’t show up for a ride. I find that it’s easier to get out if I know I will be with people that I like and who (at least pretend) to enjoy my company.

    I know not everyone rides to be social, but for me, it’s important to have a social aspect to my activity, which provides a richness to the ride.

    Love the the PCast!

    1. Author

      Terrific point. Yes, accountability is huge. Knowing you might be letting down another friend (or friends) who expect to see you can be a terrific motivator. Depression will make anyone an introvert and so while you might not want to be around “people” in general, seeing a trusted selection of friends can be comforting. Thanks for the kind words.

    2. Neil Winkelmann

      Not quite the same for me, but I run in a small (sometimes seemingly non-existent) circle of friends. My Saturday club rides are often the closest thing I get to a non-family social engagement in any given week.

  7. Neil Winkelmann

    As a roadie, riding the (now defunct) Test of Metal mountain-bike race in Squamish was interesting. The first half of the race isn’t terribly technical, and then fire-road long-climbs to the top of a long, technical descent. Fitness and basic skills got me to the top of the climb in the company of people who actually knew how to ride a mountain-bike properly and how to descend rapidly. I do not. Fortunately the “conga lines” forming behind me got frequent opportunities to pass as I repeatedly crashed.

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