Press Camp Day 1

This was my first time looking at the Gore line in any depth; there were a number of impressive pieces.

I’m in Park City, Utah, attending Press Camp, an event organized by Lifeboat Events. One of the partners in Lifeboat Events is Lance Camisasca, the former director of the Interbike trade show. Press Camp is a trade event for bike companies to get serious face time with the media. Sessions are broken into 45-minute blocks, of which I routinely ran over, but we’ll get to that.

That Camisasca is the former director of Interbike probably says something about where he thinks the industry is headed and whether or not he thinks there’s a problem with Interbike’s business model. As a means to reach the media, in only one day here, I have to say that I think it is entirely more effective. I was able to have real conversations with people in the industry, some of whom I previously knew, some of whom I didn’t, and discuss their product line in some depth without having someone interrupt us to ask for some stickers.

Paul Lew of Reynolds discusses the RZR and 90 Aero wheels.

The funny thing about the increased time allotted for meetings is that I still never seemed to get through anyone’s full product line. For me, most of my mission was to identify products that I would be interested in reviewing at a later time.

I dug this road tubeless tire called the Intensive from Hutchinson. Not only is it tubeless, it’s 28mm wide. Perfect for dirt roads. 

NeilPryde is another one of those brands I’d seen around but didn’t know too well. 

I really welcomed the opportunity to meet the team behind NeilPryde bikes. The Bura SL, shown above, was really impressive. If the numbers I saw are accurate, it has one of the highest stiffness-to-weight ratios of any bike on the market. While they are doing a number of interesting bikes, this one was particularly interesting.

NeilPryde has a long and successful history in composites in water sports. Their bike frames aren’t rookie efforts.

This frame features an asymmetric seat tube design without sacrificing any BB stiffness. And while all the engineering that goes into their frames appears to be very well done, I didn’t expect a brand new to cycling such as NeilPryde to have the ability to surprise me with weight and stiffness numbers that rival those from companies like Cervelo and Cannondale.

 Stan’s NoTubes has moved into wheel production and these three rims show the evolution of one of their rims. Material was added at the spoke bed (center and left) as well as at the bottom of the brake track to increase lateral stiffness. 

I hadn’t previously understood just how many different products Stan’s is producing. 

Of the many products out there I get requests for, perhaps the single most frequent category I’ve heard about in the last six months to a year is road tubeless. We’ll be rectifying that omission in the near future. I’ll make sure to ride some tubeless-specific wheels as well as convert some ordinary wheels to tubeless. Should be fun.

There are lots of carbon bikes out there; not many of them are available in custom geometry.

Guru seems to be best known for the carbon fiber bikes. What you may not know is that they started with TIG-welded steel bikes and then moved into titanium and aluminum before moving into Scandium. No matter what frame material you’re interested in, their delivery time is stunning. Few companies can offer a bike in less than a month, and Guru is delivering.

This is a titanium frame and these double-pass welds are worth of Seven Cycles. 

 Guru has been on my radar for some time. I’ve been aware of the brand and some of their successes in racing, particularly in triathlon. That said, I’d never seen one of their titanium bikes up close. We’re discussing a review of one of their bikes and I’m almost embarrassed to admit that I’m as interested in their titanium bikes as I am their carbon fiber ones. That just doesn’t happen.

I was surprised when a medium helmet from Kali Protectives fit me. I’m usually a small. Good news for those with a head even smaller than mine.

This helmet by Kali Protectives can be used either for cross country or the road; the visor is removable.  What was most interesting about Kali’s helmets was that they are using a much lower density foam closest to the head. By using lower density foam more energy is dissipated before the head feels any impact. To use the lower density foam the vent holes have to be smaller and less frequent, but in the event of a crash that results in head impact, you could be substantially less traumatized.

 I’ve been itching to get a chance to discuss Enve’s new Smart System rims and wheels. I’m currently finishing up a short-term review of a pair of wheels built with the 34 rims. And they were nice. The wheels that Enve’s Jason Schier and Simon Smart most wanted to discuss were the 67 (BTW: don’t say “sixty-seven,” say six-seven”). This is the mid-depth of the three wheels and it’s the one where they claim the greatest benefit of the new rims comes into play. Stay tuned.

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19 comments

  1. dstan58

    At the height of the 1980s windsurfing boom, Pryde was THE name in carbon fiber masts and sails. I suspect their technology crosses over quite nicely from water&air to land&air.

  2. dgaddis

    I am very, very, VERY interested in reading your thoughts on tubeless tires. As a MTBer, tubeless is the only way to ride. In 4yrs of tubeless use (on converted wheels, Stans rims, and UST wheels) I’ve only had one instance when I needed to install a tube to finish a ride. One. In four years.

    I just bought my first road bike and have put about 100 miles on it so far and have already pinch flatted once on a gravel road. I want road tubeless! I have no interest whatsoever in tubulars. And since the bike will see a lot of dirt road use, those 28mm tires look perfect. One question tho: are they labeled 28’s, or are they actually 28mm? From what I’ve read all of the current tubeless tires are narrow, even a 25 labeled tire only measures 23mm.


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      Padraig

      Dgaddis: I didn’t measure the Hutchinsons, but they were at least bigger than any 25 I have run in the last year or two. If they are not 28, they are damn close.

  3. armybikerider

    “…..We’re discussing a review of one of their bikes and I’m almost embarrassed to admit that I’m as interested in their titanium bikes as I am their carbon fiber ones. That just doesn’t happen.”

    Some love for metal bikes?? Say it ain’t so!

  4. MerlinAma

    Anyone thinking about road tubeless should, on a trial basis, install a tubeless tire, remove it and install a tube (pretend like you got a big cut during a ride), then take the tube out and reseat the tire.
    If you can do that with no issues, road tubeless may be for you.
    I couldn’t!


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      Padraig

      Paul: Apparently, you’re new here. We request, respectfully of course, that readers engage in a constructive conversation without insulting anyone. This is your get-out-of-jail card.

  5. A Stray Velo

    I’ve found NeilPryde to be an interesting brand from day one. Maybe because nobody is riding one and it’s something new but I’ve heard good things. The Burka looks a bit too much like a BMC but that might not be a bad thing.

    More road tubeless, thank god. It’s so frustrating to get into a new “idea or technology” only to have three tire choices. Which is what it used to be. I just hope that the 28 is a 28. As their Intensive 25 is more like a 23. The ride quality is amazing but still if you’re going to make a 25, make it a 25.

    That dropout photo of the Guru frame is excellent. Metal will always look hot and that is one nice looking dropout.

  6. dgaddis

    Hey Padraig, what can you tell us about that rim on the far right, labeled the “Rapid” I believe. That’s new. It has eyelets (unlike all the other Stan’s rims). Google doesn’t even know anything about it…

  7. Mike T

    I also would love to hear more about the 28mm tubeless tire. I’m glad to hear they are going wider and I hope this means they may come out with a 30 or 32mm in the future.

  8. Tubeless

    Width of the tire can depend on the width of the rim, pressure, and how long they have been mounted. Hutchinson fusion3 on shimano tubeless is a little over 23mm, and 24mm on Stan’s alpha rims.

    The take on the intensives was the 25mm didn’t seem wider for a lot of people. I never tried them myself.

    Good news on the new offerings

    If you can’t mount the tire with a tube, I have two words, tire iron. The Stan’s rims are easier to mount than the shimanos

    I have the edge enve 3.4 running tubeless and it is really easy to mount any tire, tubeless or non tubeless.

  9. Gregor

    I am well into my second season with tubeless road wheels. They give great roadfeel and not a single flat, nada! More tire choices would be nice though.

  10. Wsquared

    I have been running Fusion 3s on Shimano RS80s carbon aluminum wheels since February. No problems or flats and the ride is unbelievable. It’s a true 23mm but rides more like a 25mm tubed tire than a 23. Tubeless makes you rethink what works in tire sizing. I have ridden these tires on dirt roads that would knock my fillings out or cause pinch flats if I was running tubed 23s.

    I haven’t had any difficulty mounting them. I believe choosing a tubeless ready rim like a Shimano or Stans makes a difference. Stan’s kits work well for converting non tubeless rims, but I gather that some rims give more trouble mounting than others. And everybody I know who runs tubeless gets fewer flats anyway, if they get them at all, so you’re not spending time changing tires.

    A 28mm Intensive sounds interesting, but wouldn’t fit on my bike. I’d really like to see them bring out a 25 mm version of the Fusion 3. It would be like running a 28 tubed.

  11. Bobby

    I’ve been running road tubeless since last September and doubt I will ever go back. The ride is incredible and knock on wood… have yet to you know what. I’ve set up two wheel sets using the Stan’s conversion kit. One was super easy. The other (50mm Hed Jets) took a little trial and error with a pinch of McGyver’ing.

    As far as sealants go- there’s a lot of conjecture about which brand works best. They each have their own little quirks. Stan’s seals great but dries out and needs to be replaced after a few months. Cafe Latex doesn’t seal as great but supposedly it never dries out. However, a table spoon of glitter added to Cafe Latex levels the playing field quite well. The added glitter does the same job of whatever particles are in Stan’s that give it the edge.

  12. Gary

    The latest Reynolds wheels look interesting if a bit of a head scratcher with the apparent reverse of what Zipp is touting. More irksome, even some years later, is Paul Lew’s midnight disappearance from his company back to Reynolds, leaving many customers emptyhanded. Doesn’t make me want to run to buy a Reynolds product…….

  13. Dave J

    In my second season tubeless, I’m running atom’s on the front, F3’s on the rear, on shamal ultra 2-way’s, on a ti frame (Lynskey). I wouldn’t give up the ride for any clincher wheel/carbon frame combo.

    MerlinAma – a couple of tips on stuffing tubes into a TL set-up (on the roadside):

    1. Ultra-thin tubes bind-up less (than cheap standard thickness tubes) when re-seating the beads, and make getting the bead over the rim much easier. I use the 0.45mm Maxxis tubes for roadside flats.

    2. Use only thin tire levers (very carefully) to gently stuff between the tire bead and rim, and lever the bead over the rim. The Tacx levers work great, but the standard Park levers are too thick (they don’t ‘stuff’ easily, and ‘lever’ the tire bead too much).

  14. Aaron

    I’m really interested by Tubeless’ comment about running Hutchinsons on the Enve 3/4 tires. My impression was that due to potential heat distortion of the rims, running road tubless was a no no. Too much potential for a catastrophic blow out.

  15. Martin F

    I cannot find the Intensive in size 28, are you sure you did not read it wrong on the tire? The Hutchinson webpage only shows one model of Intensive and that is a size 700×25. I do believe that the size may vary from rim to rim, I often finds tires to measure less than what it says on the side of the tire.

    Doing a gravel/paved road race I would like to find a more flat resistent tire instead of the Continental 4-season 28 mm I test at the moment.
    I got the Fusion 3 on my road bike but are going to use my cross bike and are looking for a tire as close to 30 mm as possible.

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